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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody's the j n V. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the God.
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We got a special guest in the building in front
of the room. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Angela, rae.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Hi friend, Hi brother, how are you? I am good?
I am you know, making it in the apocalypse?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Okay, the best of times, the optimism, optimism.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Okay, raise the Lord, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm glad you are here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Your brother has been doing some disrespectful stuff. He has
caught ice on me three times to try to get
me shipped out of this country.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What's the problem?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You did not do that?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What's the problem?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You didn't do that?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
The problem?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That's not funny.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I don't see the problem.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
And then Angela, he'd be rioting and just talking crap
against the Democratic Party every day.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's factual.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That is I know that that's true.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
And there are many, there are many in the Democratic
Party who deserve to be trash talk.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Not as bad as these Republicans.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
Since they're trying to take us back to eighteen sixty three,
I can argue it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Dems of the reason we're here. But that's a
whole You could.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Argue that, but that would be silly of you since
seventy five million people voted.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
For this man.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, but why did they do that?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, allegedly, but why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What do you mean why they did that?
Speaker 7 (01:24):
Because there's some of them are biggest, because some of
them are fascists, because some of them are sexist, because
some of them are homophobic, because some of them got issues,
and some of the others that were disenchanted.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Before we get to that, Okay, congratulations on your State
of the People tour.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You know what, I would love to take the congratulations,
but I got to tell you the tour was so
eye opening. We're really hurting, like as the people were
really really hurting. Is something, and I'll say it publicly
to you because we talked about it privately.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I used to get so.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Mad at Leonardo, but for all the reasons, but at
Leonard for the times where he was saying to me
I was out of touch. I would get so upset
and I would I'm like, where you spent my whole career,
like helping a craft legislation for our people, doing jobs
like all of these things.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But the truth is, even if you're you know, out.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Of touch for a week, for two weeks, for a month,
you can get really out of touch. And you're thinking,
I'm helping people because I'm working on behalf of their
best interests. But how do you work on behalf of
somebody's best interests if you're not in community and talking
with them.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know how I feel about you bringing private
conversations to the radio.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You do it all the time. Can you can you not?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Can you not for two seconds what you do? So
my point is saying, yes, just be quietet.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
For two seconds.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
But I was gonna say that there was humbling, you know,
like to go to to a church and meet this
woman with two young kids like under three, who made
it determination to come sit with us and get her
light bill paid and didn't know if the car would
make it to work.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
She had to get a jump at the church.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
You know another woman who was a teacher in Atlanta
who said that she goes to teach our students every
day and then goes to sleep in her car at night.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I mean, there's so many stories like that. We had
a woman who volunteered with us in Newark who lives
in a red roof inn and every day she is
bringing groceries back home to.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The seniors who live in that facility. But she's struggling too.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
So we met these people, we were able to meet
their needs. But you all know, like you go see
something like that, you ready to empty your bank account,
you emptying your bank account. Maybe y'alls would last a
little longer than mine. We talking maybe about two or
three weeks worth of relief. You know, for these people,
we have to have structural systemic change in order for
folks to really see a difference.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And instead of people working to meet the most.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
Basic needs and relieve our folks, they're creating cuts that
are gonna hurt them even worse.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
That's gonna be on all of us.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
But because what I refuse to do is say, well,
we're gonna wait until people who are like minded and
more compassionate get in charge.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, that doesn't put food on their table tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
So I've been like, what do we do to solve
immediate needs to make sure that our folks know they
can always turn to community and be okay? That is
the black way, you know, we always look out for
each other. And I don't want to lose sight of
that with all of this crazy infighting has happened.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So that's what the State of the People Tour was like.
What was it for people who don't.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, So it was a tour where we focused first
on relief, and then we also ensured that we had opportunities.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
To listen to the community.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
What are you saying, what are you feeling, how are
you how is your life? What can we do to
make it better? And then we also emphasize policy by
creating a platform for our Black Papers policy initiative. Y'all know,
normally when it's a policy paper, it's called a white paper.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
We have black Papers.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
So Black Papers was more than seven hundred pages of
policy now thirty four papers, everything from healthcare to reparations,
to education, early childhood education, everything you could think of.
We tried to cover mass incarceration, really ensuring that our
folks know that they don't just have a project twenty
twenty five and we're sitting idly by. We have black
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experts from all over the country on all of these
varying subject matters that can contribute to making your life better.
And then finally we did it in coalition with more
than two hundred local and national organizations. Black folks like
this have not come together since the Bloods and the
Crips came together to do that little.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Mixtape back in the nineties. So it was very good,
very very good.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I was gonna say, so, you know what can
people do?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So, usually, you know, fast food restaurants back in the
day was the way to get cheap food and to
feed the family. Right, But if you go to any
of these fast food restaurants, a meal now is fifteen dollars,
seventeen dollars, so it's expensive. Groceries are expensive. So you're
talking about the lady that was helping to feed you know,
other people in the red roof, and she probably couldn't
feed herself. So what do you tell people to do
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at this specific time?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
What could they do? What can they do? What's the change?
Where's the change?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Car?
Speaker 7 (06:03):
I think the change comes from within. And by that
I'm not talking about find your food inside yourself. I'm
talking about us, right, like, we have to change our mentality.
We have more than enough.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I was waking up.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
My prayer every morning during the tour was God, I
thank you, we have everything we need, and that is
the truth. So if we embody that and we say, Okay,
I have all of these extra clothes that I don't need,
can I give these away to somebody in need? We
have school supplies. We I had twenty dollars to give
towards a child school supplies. Like there are all of
the things that we have that we can make use of.
(06:34):
And I think that is what's most important. Policy only
works when you prioritize the needs of the people, when
you're compassionate towards people, regardless of their immigration status, regardless
of where they live, regardless of if you agree with
them or not, doing the right thing is it's always
the right time to do the right thing, to paraphrase
doctor King. And so I think some of that is
about what can we do differently? So I would ask
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people who wanted to join the tour, what do you
feel called to do? And asking people to do exactly that.
I think that's how we meet our most basic needs.
I shouldn't do everything. I'm better at rapid response than
long term planning. I think some of that is undiagnosed.
Add some of that is just.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
What interests me.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
So I should be on the rapid response squad, but
somebody else should be on the now what do we
do to build out the long term solution? So David
John's who I know, you all know has been on
Breakfast Club. He ran our black Papers Policy initiative. I
was like, I know, we need to do this. I'm
too unfocused to do it. But he had thirty four
papers done in a month with working with some of
the best black experts around.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
So what was the biggest thing you learned from the
state of People are like like one if you got
to take one.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Takeaway to see the marathon or the tour the tour,
I'm sorry, tour.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So the tour was twelve cities and then we did
a national Assembly in Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I think the most important thing that I learned is
that we can do anything when we put our minds
to it. When we decide that our unity means more
than anything else, we're just unstoppable. We are really unmatched.
So I learned that I learned the importance of listening.
I listened a lot more than I talked on that tour,
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and I think that that was abundantly important because I
don't know how you change people's circumstances, you don't know
what they are.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, what would you say to people who say,
I hear you, Angela RAI, But we've always felt like that,
like where you are now we've been there.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Well they said that, you know, Like so there are
two things that came out of the tour too. Some
folks were like, well, we've been here, now y'all care
because we're all about to be in the same situation.
I was like, you're right, it's sad, but that's true
in so many ways. That's true because now more people's
health care is going to be cut. So now everybody
feels like the folks who are worried about what may
happen with Medicaid or Medicare or anything in between.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So that is absolutely the truth. Is it right? Absolutely not,
But that is the truth.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I think some of us, and I'll speak for myself,
when you see somebody in need and you know you
can't help right away, it's easier for me to try
to turn.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
A blind eye.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
That's not the right thing to do. But I'm like,
if I don't know how to fix it, I'm a
natural fixer. I'm like, shoot, I can't do anything about it.
So I'm gonna try to pretend like I'm not here.
That's not the right solution.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I think. The other thing that came up a lot,
especially from folks in the South, was well.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Y'all worried about Trump, but we've been having people just
like him as our governor's local elected officials, and that
kind of thing I would offer to them, and I
did on the tour.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
This key distinction.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
There was a time where you could go to petition
the federal government to protect you in the face of
your Mini Trump rohnd de Santis or you know, Greg
Abbott or whoever it is. Now the federal government looked
just like them, look just like the January sixth ers,
the insurrectionist So who do you go petition?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Who you gonna who are you gonna call? I do
have a ghostbuster.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
This is just I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
But some people have felt like that about the federal
government forever. They've always felt like the federal government is
not showing up for them, and I think for so long.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But I think the feeling like it and the and
the factual reality is different.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
What if your factual reality have been poverty and your
factory reality is being poor and disenfranchised, regardless of who's
in office.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Why should you ever have any faith in government?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I think that it's is a challenging thing to have
faith in, and I think that the only way that
we can change it, and we've seen this recently is
by applying pressure. Historically we've seen it by applying pressure,
things change. I think it is foolish for us to
believe that anybody is always.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
On our side.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Like, what you should expect from the federal government is
that they need to hear about your issue. Like let's
look at it like this way. Let's say that you
live in an apartment building. Your apartment building has a
property manager and it has a landlord. So let's treat
the property manager like it's an elected official like a
member of Congress, and your landlord.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Is the president.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
If you have a leak in your in your apartment,
you ain't about to be like, well, I hope they
figure it out because it's their obligation.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Figure I pay rent.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
You not doing that, You're gonna send in the complaint,
You're gonna knock on the door, You're gonna go find them.
That's the same way we should treat the fan like
they are paid to do a job. We pay them,
but they not they We're not gonna let them rest
until they meet our need. That's the same way we
would do if we would do that about a leaky faucet.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
How much more?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
If our kids can't eat, how much more? If they
can't be educated, how much more? If they're taking our
history out of classrooms. That's a good analogy. I'm gonna
use it again.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
People feel like they do complain so much and.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So complaining to I'm sure they complain into their property man,
their counselmen. They're local people, and a lot of times
that local people, I'm sure they feel they don't do
anything well.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And I think that's what's hard for me.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
And I'm gonna say, I exist in this privilege, but bubble,
so y'all burst it if I'm wrong. To me, most often,
when I tell people to call their member of Congress
if the something is going wrong, or show up to
a council.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Meeting, they're like, how when is it? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
So?
Speaker 7 (11:48):
If there are those who are complaining, often I think
it's to select few. And what happens is, I don't know.
If y'all have this, you guys all do public appearances.
You know that one person to come to every show.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Uh huh. So that when what happens is for the.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Elected official that like, oh, here goes Susie again, and
she just gonna be right, and so they they get
tuned out. But if Susie and all the fifth grade
class comes and all of the seniors come, now it's
a different type of experience. We are a people powered democracy,
at least we should be, and that means more people
have to show up.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
If it's the same two or three, I don't know
that it's moving the needle.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You said something, and I think it tends to be
a problem. Somebody asks questions.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Right when somebody says, I don't know how you have
these elitists ask democrats who call people stupid and.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You don't saying that to me. I don't do that.
I don't want to defend them, no, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Just saying that is part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
When people ask questions, you'll have these people that get
on these high horses and tell them how stupid they are.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You should know any things, You should know what that
meeting is. Wont you just teach them?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I do feel like I think people should know because
I think it's part of our responsibility.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I don't think that they should be scolded.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yeah, I don't think they should be scolded or we
should be scolded when we don't know things, because there's
it's hard already to say I don't know you know.
So I don't think we should make people feel bad,
but I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So many and I don't say my gullet. No, I'm
talking about the elite Democrats.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yes, what do you think about President Obama critiquing Demo
critiquing Democrats and saying they need the tough enough and
take action. Don't you feel like too little, too late?
I don't feel like he should have been saying that.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
What's I heard that he said? This was the context
for him saying this just period.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It was at a fundraiser in Jersey, and I guess
he was just talking about, you know, what they should be.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Doing in the future.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I guess my issue right now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Exact quote.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
No, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
My issue right now with President Obama and Michelle Obama
is they like out here doing Tiger Woods documentaries and
they have this show, which I'm not mad at that
he actually was on her podcast talking about how young
men don't feel seen in this uh in this new,
this new space, and I think that that's true. However,
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if you can go on the podcast to talk about
how young men don't feel seen, can you also talk
about these snapcuts?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Can you also talk about the Medicare and Medicaid cuts?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
And I think for me, if you all were saying
that we were about to or this country was about
to elect a fascist, why are you not treating fascism
as it's just that critical?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I'm confused about.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Why there is an expectation of Democrats or any elected
official to do something different when they're doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
What you're doing.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Right, So, if you're treating all of this as normal,
it's normal times, We're gonna go to Martha's vineyard to
hang out and like nothing is different. Yeah, Like they
don't know what to do either. So we have these
high expectations. And this is also why we started to
say to the people of our elected officials, like, Okay,
you got to meet the moment, you got to meet
the moment, you got to meet the moment. Everybody, even
if they don't say it out loud, is saying, how
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how do you meet this particular moment, and this moment
is changing massively every single day, so how I met
it is going to continue to change. We're not giving
them the grace to figure it out on the fly,
but we're giving ourselves that grace. And for me, I say,
you know what, I'm demanding something of them that I'm
not demanding of myself. If it is the last and
evil days, as the mothers used to say in the
church for years and years and years, I really do
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think it might be the last in evil days. Now,
what am I going to do different? And if I'm
not doing anything different, then I'm part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That actually gives me hope. That's why.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yeah, like my grandmother was saying the same thing in
the eighties, this is the last time. It's the worst
I ever seen it, that damn Reagan bly like. So
it's just like, I don't know if we just you know,
going through what they went through and we made it
through before, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And let me just tell you the only caution I
would offer us. And you're right, we have always said that.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
The folks have always explained why it has been we
have gotten progressively worse over the last decade at least.
And what I would say is, if we think that
this isn't the worst it's been, can you tell me
why our human rights have been rolled back sixty plus
years in a matter of six months, right Like that
(16:07):
is I know, And some people are like, well, I
don't need civil rights, just give me my paper main whatever.
I don't know how you think you're gonna keep your
paper main and you can't. You don't have any protections.
The ways in which we're watching human rights abuses come
forth in this country visa VI, these deportation processes, ice
detention holding facilities where people don't even have deportation orders,
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and watching folks who look like us saying I don't care,
that's not my problem. Until you didn't realize that your
little cousin daddy was Haitian, you know, until you didn't
realize that, you know, your favorite Jamaican spot is about
to close down. I keep trying not to do this
in the terms of like what people are giving us,
but just through our humanity, like you are gonna be
in a position really soon where somebody you did not
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know was that close to you is hit And I
don't understand why even needs that, Like, what's just just
about our humanity? Forget what should be given to someone
who is a citizen here? What about humanity? And that
is the thing that is really troubling me.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
How do you feel about democrats who all of a
sudden have the courage and courage in parentheses to tell
the truth, Like when you see books like the Original
Sin or you know Karen john psaying she's a independent. Now, like,
why all of a sudden do they have the courage
to speak truth to power?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But they didn't do that.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
I'm trying to figure out why you think it's all
of a sudden, like I think everybody?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
No, I think right, Okay, So do I have my
own opinion?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
So I just feel like if somebody this question, but
what was the original saying about buy Jake Tapple?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It literally was about the cover up that democrat.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I don't know if Jake Tapper identifies as a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He's on seeing that every day, talking to talking to the.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Left and talking to the right. I don't know if
Jake Tapper's Democrat brother, I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, So what do you think about them just all
of a sudden having the courage.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I don't know that it's all of a sudden. I
think they've been doing these, you know, expose books for years.
Jakes is the latest of those. I think that Koreine
had Why.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Tell us after after it's too late?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Why didn't they say these things two years ago when
they could have alerted the American people, and the American
people could have been like, you know what, something is
wrong with him. Maybe y'all shouldn't run a different candidate
than probably wouldn't be in this situation.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I think that the lie was sexier to people than
the truth, and they went with the lie, and they
knew Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, and
so the.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Lie wasn't Joe Biden is okay? Remember remember when was
up there.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Saying that Joe Biden had dementia and you and Tiffany
got mad at him.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It was like, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Well, And I told you, guys, why, I told you
I don't think it's funny. I told y'all why.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
My grandmother literally was suffer from dementia. And he still
doesn't have dementia. He does not have dimentia, showing early.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Signs of dimion according to the original sin that we
don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
According to my own eyes, we do know he does
not have early signs, just like his mom had dementia.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I said, he is showing early signs of dementia something.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
And you just knew something was wrong, and we knew
we couldn't We knew he couldn't win in November.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
All I'm telling you is I was personally offended because
my grandmother had dementia.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So y'all got on my nerves that day because of that.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Now, as for what Karina's doing and Jake invite them
on the show and asked them, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But what I can tell you is Karine had her
own experience of.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Being regularly challenged her brilliance, being challenged by white men
who she was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
For that white man all the time.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I'm not talking about that, Leonard, and I'm talking about
staff people as well. And so when you are being
challenged by your peers rather than covered because they don't
want you in a role that may you know jade
you just a little bit. You might be a little
frustrated by that. So I mean I get it, you know,
I feel like I've always been independent minded and voting
down a Democratic ticket because that's where my values are
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more aligned.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Are they perfectly aligned? No, No, that's never been the case.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
You ain't never seen me come up here talking about
the dim Democratic parties the only way.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
That's not it.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But I'm saying I know what for sure is not
the way. I know what for sure is a dead end.
Quite literally is on the other side of the eye.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So if we knew that, how come we did? Who
is we the people?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Because clearly, like it was like seventy percent of people
felt like they didn't want to Biden Trump rematch. Fifty
six percent of Democrats said that Joe Biden should not
be I think we all agree.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think we all agree with that.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
He told us initially he was going to do one term,
and that was the expectation that I think many of
us had. So I never was like, oh, please run
Joe Biden again. I think we run the tape back.
Guess I'm on here saying that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Let me ask you. I'm sorry, I just want to
say one thing. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right, you fought for Marilyn Moseby to get parton Joe
Biden didn't pardon them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
His whole family, part in his whole family, right, Donald
Trump part is anybody that's cool with him all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
How did that make you feel that? Did that make
you feel like like what Obama said? Democratsic cowitch is
a lady that did nothing wrong, who does the right thing.
You guys, fought to get her pardon. You fought for
the Democrats. You rode for Joe Biden, you rode for
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
This is very loosely fought for the Democrats and rode
for Joe Biden. Want I wanted Kamala Harris to be.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Our president before she was announced.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
I was gonna go with the nomination. I think there's
a difference, and I am going to a fact that
pardon her and accept this man. And then you see
him part in his whole family, who we said he
wasn't gonna pardon. You see Trump parting everybody first day.
He just came with a stage and part in everybody.
How does that make you feel about Democrats? Because it
makes me feel like Democrats don't ride for their own
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But then you look at Trump. He rides for his call,
he rides for his base. So it's like, damn well,
and I think I think that the challenge that I
will offer us to consider and I respond to the question,
but I just want us to contextualize this.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
He is very crooked.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
He is violating the emoluments Clause every single day. He
is taking gifts from foreign governments to be persuaded, to
be conflicted out of basic decisions. So I take issue
with striving to be more like somebody who's very crooked,
who had eighty eight indictments but was ninety one.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
They dropped a few. But I have issues with trying
to be more like corruption. I don't want an elected
official to be corrupt.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
I will say it pissed me off that Joe Biden
and the team that was advising him would not stand
for this black woman. I know of black people who
worked in the White House Counsel's office who were fighting
for Maryland and they were not heard. So it was devastating.
What I will say is very vindicating though for her,
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at least is in her appeals case that was.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Just recently heard. Her mortgage fraud conviction.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Was overturned, which which I think is bizarre too because
I felt like the perjury was the weakest link.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But I will say it is so vindicating.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
She gets to keep the property that the black judge
who was appointed by Joe Biden told her she could
not have and needed to be forfeit. She doesn't have
to give up her property, which I think is really
important for her and her girls.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So I heard you mention the Epstein files earlier.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Does this?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Do you think that this can really really hurt Trump
because they don't really seem to care about it.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, I don't. He doesn't seem to care about much nothing.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I would say that it could hurt him, especially if
the you know, the fringe of his base, the folks
who's ascribed to all of the conspiracy theories, continue to
write it out and he doesn't respond in time with
actually unfeeling the files or appointing a special prosecutor. I
think it's bizarre that this man, who he was friends
with at least for two decades, was on the private jet.
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Now he's not going to release the files, But what's
in there?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Donald Trump? Why you don't want to share it?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I feel like Democrats should never stop talking about the
Epstein files.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Yeah, I agree, because I feel like this is their
transgender in women's sports issue.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that they should
talk about it because it also creates that same type
of ambiguity, the cloud of corruption. He does what he
wants to do whenever it's beneficial to him, and he
doesn't really care about you. I think that that is
the most important thing they could say, because there are
a lot of people who were Trump supporters who are poor, broke,
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busted and discussed it, still down on their luck, still
don't have anything to show for his election. So if
you still don't have anything to show for it, but
you see this man now has a multimillion dollar jet,
his family is doing really well, his cryptocurrency sword on
the other side of the inauguration, what do you have
to show for it? How did you benefit? Because if
you don't have anything to show for it, well, what
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is your.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
What does your vote really do?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And it builds a bridge between Democrats and Magna Ever
since Trump won, they've been trying to do that, right now,
whether there's Gavin Newsom with his corny ass podcast, right
but I'm just saying like they're always trying to, you know,
build support, build.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
A bridge with me.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Gavin tag right into his whiteness. He chat right into
his whiteness in a very.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
In authentic way. But you know this is an actual
authentic way, because this is something that is the truth.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Yes, I think that there's nothing better than the truth.
You always talk about how important it is to tell
the truth.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think that too.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
So we shouldn't be pontificating on conspiracy theories. We should
be asking real questions. We don't know, no, no, yeah,
that's as I say. We don't know what's in the files,
but you do, so release them.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Make sure we all know.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Do you think the files haven't been released, because if
they do, it'll be mutually assured destruction, meaning that you know,
high profile individuals from both parties are definitely probably in
the files, Allies probably.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Absolutely, Allies donors.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah, I really don't know what's in the diplomats. I
don't know what's in the files.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
And just based on what I just was saying, I
don't want to deepen more into the conspiracy parts of it.
What I would rather say is, if your people ask
for it, this is what you promise, your people, make
good on your promise, be true to what you said.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I and if I'm a Democrat and I'm, you know,
constantly staying on the epsteinm file. Even if I know
that there are people from my party in there, they're
probably people you need to throw under the bus anyway, Yeah,
because I feel like whoever is the future of the
Democratic Party has to throw the old regime under the bus.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Especially if the old regime was engaging in child abuse.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I mean, you know, like there's there's no we should
that should be a bipartisan or really a nonpartisan thing.
There are some things that we should not allow or
hold to be acceptable. We shouldn't be covering up anything
for anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about
folks who may have supported Trump having buyer's remorse now
and speaking out against it?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Like is it the time to say I told you so?
Or is it the time the coalition build?
Speaker 7 (26:44):
You want my higher self answer, I want you just
to answer, well, I have two answers. My first answer
is something I should say on radio, forget y'all. I'll
say it that way, forget y'all, like we tried to
tell you over and over again, like you are sofoul.
My higher self answer is I think that people make
mistakes and some mistakes they make are extraordinarily costly, and
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so I would really want to understand how they got
there and what do we do as a people to
ensure that folks don't get there. Ever again, they got
that though, No, I don't me and you disagree on this.
I think there are multiple pasthway to get to the
pathways to get to this dummy well.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think I think for so long we've tried to
tell people why they should care about politics or why
they should vote a certain way, but we don't talk
to them to see why they voted that way.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
For me, when Donald Trump won, it wasn't a surprise.
We was together anyone.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It wasn't a surprise because I've been having these conversations.
I can see where Democrats were missing the mark and
where he was speaking to dinner table issues.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Now whether he wanted to do.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Those things dinner table issues and knowing someone from their
past four years in office is a liar and it's
not going to look out for the least.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
That last year.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
We've had this conversation a million times. Not with that
last year, PPP checks was flying in them and.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Now these PPP people's in jail.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
But sure, but people will.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
People will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said,
They'll never forget how you made them feel.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Well.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I wonder how they feel behind bars, like I think behind.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
A lot of sending them trailers in South Carolina to
live in the life. They still got that Christ of three, honey,
some of them living their best life right now, still
waiting for another stimmy. And you know what they do
every now and then when those touches happening and everybody's
getting mad, We're gonna give everybody five thousand dollars. Y'all
just relaxed. Everybody's like, yeah, that's what we voted.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
For, and then where's that five thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Now?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I guess all I'm saying is, you know, at some
point people have to understand how the government works.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Donald Trump didn't write a blank check.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
He did sign the checks smart.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I agree it was smart.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
But in all of that, what I hope his supporters
and even people who are like indifferent, I hope what
they see over time is this this man will do
anything to promote himself, and that is all that he's
good at. He's not good at keeping his promises. He's
not good at telling the truth. He's not good at
people first policy. He's good at promoting himself.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
That's why the Epstein list is good and why Democrats
stay on it, because this is the one time I've
seen people who voted for Trump and the MAGA.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Base be like lying. Yeah, so yeah, so not only
is he lying about.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
This things, That's right. Go be a consultant. You good
at this, That's good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I wanted to ask about what was your thoughts on
everything that happened with the Essence Festival?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Right, yeah, so a lot of people upset that.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know that Target was still the sponsoring people with boycotting.
What was your thoughts on all that.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
I still say boycott Target number one, Target fast. If
I see black people with Target bag just I'm mugging y'all.
All right, Lauren got once she got a makeup, No
one right now from I didn't get you know, I
didn't get this from. I would tell you if I did.
I did support when my girl Klina was in there.
But I'm telling you right now, they better get it together.
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I think that this is a really dope oppert tunity
for black people to show we don't just support black
business in a boycott. We do that because it's the
right thing and our stuff is better anyway, So I
just yes, I'm irritated that they were a sponsor, but
it's a multi year deal, so I understand that. I
thought it was hilarious that they tried to make their
activation pink so people didn't know that. It was like
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the red and white target was like, let's if we're
really in red and white, it's pink, let's.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Make it pink. People couldn't see the logo till they
walked all the way in.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I want to shout out Alfonso David has become a
brother to me from Global Black Economic Forum.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
He did a tremendous job on his stage.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
There were a lot of really good things about Essence
Fest and the videos that I was saying. I was
telling then I was like, I didn't see any of
this stuff the way that they're portraying it. So I'm
just not sure. I will say I did not go
to any of the concerts, so I didn't. I don't
know what that experience was, Like. I wanted to go,
and my day that I could go, I just was
not feeling well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
So it worth it taking the money to create black joy.
That's what we are right now.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Right We're in a space right now where we need
to empower each other in various ways, and creating spaces
of black joy is one of those things.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, So taking that money to create I think I'm not.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I just wanted I want us to divorce ourselves from
Target until they meet the demands that Jamal and Tamika
and Nina have been very clear about.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The demands are great, including standing.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Up opportunities for HBCU students at business schools. At HBC
there's no you have retail shops at twis at traditionally
white institutions. You can do that same thing at HBCUs.
You can appoint another black board member, you can have
a black CEO, your CEO about to step down. You
can put black people in position to succeed as contractors,
as vendors, and as employees at Target. So I don't
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understand what the issue is. If they can't meet those
most basic needs, they don't need our money. What I'm saying,
I understand what you're saying. I think that there still
have to be parameters. If you look historically at some
of the nation's civil rights orgs, some of our other
folks who if there are influencers who y'all know, who
take money from some of these large corporations to distract
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us from our demands of these corporations regularly, I would
name drop, but I'm.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I think you should.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
No, I won't, but I think that what's important is
that we are all aligned. So if we're gonna take
the money, we know that these are the accountability metrics.
You don't get a blanket endorsement from us. We're saying, yeah,
here's this partnership. We're not doing anymore right now. Some
of our black denominations in the churches have taken money,
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but they know that they see one of a pastor
leading this charge.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Don't do that. It undermines us. That is literally how
black people got into slavery.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh, I'm gonna take this five dollars from my family,
but I'm gonna send y all over there.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Don't do that. That is so harmful.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
One thing people say, and you know, we've had this
conversation with Jamal and Tamika as well. What about all
the other companies who rolled back DEI initiatives? Yeah, the
metas we on Facebook and we on Instagram every day.
You know the Walmart, the Amazon? Do you get Amazon packaged?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
A lot of churches are boy Amazon to a lot
of interviews. A lot of interviews are boy kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Go to the house and see if they got packaged.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I want to say, I have cut way back. All
I have is my just Water on an automatic subscription.
But I have cut way back. I did have an
Amazon problem. I have since been delivered like every day ordering.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Like that's how I was.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So what do you say to those people who feel like,
wellocott and.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
You know what, I feel like, it's hard to boycott
everything at once, especially if you live in communities where
there are not that many options to shop and all that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's hard.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
So I think to make an example out of one
so that other organizations, other corporations fall in line is
also a smart tactic.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I think Target was personal for.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Us, Like I don't know about you just but I
would just be up and down the aisles like I'm going.
I would say Starbucks and Target for one thing and
leave with a cart full of five hundred dollars worth
of stuff I did not need.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
So I think that it was personal. It was like
you messed with our sanctuary, Like why.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
That's how I feel abot Walmart TALKINGT I used to
go to Talking for T shirts, but Walmart was because
you know, growing up in most corner, that was the
place that was open twenty four hours, and we were kids,
we would go wandering around Walmart.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
That's both of them for me, Walmart and Target. Yeah,
talking got they had better selections and stuff. He was
a little he thought a little boogie me was in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And sometimes you go around there, you just wandered because
you high. Were you high?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He's trying to say me.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
You know, I will say, I am grateful for what
cannabis is doing for my mother right now. She's going
through chemo, and she my dad has been very eager
to make sure that she had an edible.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
The first edible that my mom had was not for
her because she was sitting on the floor facing the
wall and the TV was behind her. Said, that's exactly
how she has one that has been recommended by the
nutritionists now and she's doing much better.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So her appetite is good and she's so proud of
my mom.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
She found on that because your mom is dealing with cancer, yes,
and so the nutrition just recommended her edible for.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
What exactly, So it's I think it's a I don't
remember if it's one to one or something CBD and
THC yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
CBN, CBN and THC yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
So she's on that and it's helping her to eat
a lot better. The other ones just had my mom
like she was gone. I was sitting here.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I said, I see that you like to get up?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Did you ask your mom which one she like better?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
She might like that, But if she's not eating, because
like she's literally like I can't even move, Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I got what if she was enjoying what she was
seeing on the wall, and she's enjoying.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
What she's seen on the wall, but she's still twenty
pounds lighter and she's already tiny, not to.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Get her stuck looking at the wall.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
What advice this is my last question, What advice do
you have for people listening who just like don't even
care about you know, they've given up all hope for
like the government, they don't.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Have any faith, like anymore in it.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
What would you say to them?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
You know what I would say is I know this
is a government that was built on our backs and
never for us, and I think that it's important to
decide whether you will reform it and shift what it
was designed to do, or whether you will overhaul it
and do something different. Regardless of what decision you make,
it's just most important to engage. You know that we
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advocate for our collective best interests, that we show up
to ensure that our voices are heard, that we're seeing
that our people can't be ignored. And I think some
of the best ways we can do that right now
is just showing up together collectively and making a difference
for ourselves. I think we could still build structures outside
of the government that serve our most basic needs. But
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I absolutely suggest that if you are paying a tax
ban citizen, you have every right to demand something better
at this government, and.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
It owes us for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I got a couple more questions.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Do you think traditional media, because you know you're having
great success with the Native Land podcast yourself, Andrew Gilliam
and Tiffany Cross, do you think traditional.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Media still plays a role in shaping.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Not just black political opinion, but political opinion overall, or
have we fully moved into an era where non traditional
media is controlling all the naratives.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
I think that they have a role and they have
an obligation, and for the most part, traditional media is
epically failing. Like there's an epic fail, like the fact
that the fines that they're paying to settle cases with
Donald Trump. The ways in which they're talking about some
of the greatest crises right now is insane to me.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm like, are we living in the same universe? Are
you seeing what I'm seeing?
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Are you hearing what these members of Congress are reporting
back from visits or state elected officials. We're living in
really rough times and for them to not be talking
about it or for me, I was upset when they
were spending just as much time on Puff's trial.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
As they were on the budget cutting irresponsible. So, you know,
I think it's it is.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
There isn't a huge obligation on behalf of media, and
yet I feel like they're failing. So because they're failing,
new media has opportunities to tell the truth and to
make sure that people know that they exist and they're
not and folks aren't crazy sitting at home.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Is that why you focus more on I don't even
like to call it non traditional media no more, because
I feel like that is media nowadays. But is that
why you focus on like I'm gonna do the State
of the People Marathon on YouTube or I'm gonna do
Native Land. You know, podcasts on YouTube and you know
we have a podcast is distributed.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Is that why? Because it's not like you can't go
on television when you want to.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Yeah, I think for me, I'll say the last TV
interview I did reminded me of what I did not
miss about it touched you? Yeah, But I think it's
more like it's just I'm a germophobe, and I think
so especially white men know just.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
They don't wash their hands. The Italian he said he
washed his hands too.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's like, first of all, first.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Of all, you're not gonna fame. Mean, while I'm holding
this camera, I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I did not say that carcause of your hands.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Looked clean.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
But I'm just saying it's a lot of people, you
can tell, even how they move about the world, they
don't watch it. Yeah, So I'm like, why didn't you
touch me? So I'm a germophobe and it was like
not even thought about you.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
But I think that what it was kind of was
a shushion too, like it was Yeah, I think sometimes
they do that on TV.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's like to minimize you in a way.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, no, he went about to do that.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
But I just think that you have a conversation after that, no, no,
about what because you're just like, you don't touch me.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Don't touch me, don't put you don't know this, you
don't know this.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Hood if he came bologize.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
But I think that he's so cocky that he you
know that he wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
But my point in bringing that up is I think
it reminded me of how unproductive those conversations are.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I'm going on to argue with you. You got the
people who are backing you in your corner.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
I got the people back in me in my corner,
my corner, and there's a very small, convincible middle. And
I I just think, you know, if we're not having
conversations to really get to yes and be like, well,
I can understand your perspective. What is it that you're saying,
like people should have to be held to facts, right,
people go on there and just lied to make up numbers.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
It's like, what's the point of this? This is reality TV?
This isn't the news.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
That's why people like you need to be there though,
And I think it takes a very special person to
occupy that space, and You've always been a very special
person in that space.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's why you stand out.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
Thanks brother, Well, I like doing the podcast and say
that people wasn't just about content development, It also was
really about touching lives.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
So, yeah, do you really feel like Republicans cheated in
twenty twenty four? It was all over Fox News this week?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, you would. Fox News really like our podcast. That
is so nice. They should put the link in there
so people could watch that tune into them.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
I would just say I am very you know, I
feel like Black women and the Holy Ghosts are very close.
And I feel like if something about my fighty senses
are tingling, and they have been since the day after
the election when we were all together.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I don't know. Some is not right. There's the elections troop,
the Lions.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
I believe ETA has a whole report on some of
the inconsistencies and election results. There is another entity that
I can't think of right now that also has a
report on this. Clark County had some irregularities in Nevada.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
So I mean, I have questions.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
And then why did Donald Trump say in January that
Elon musk knew how to work the Pennsylvania the local
machines in Pennsylvania better than anybody and that's why he
won by landslide. Who says that if you know, it's
just and maybe you guys could say he has dementia too.
I hope you don't without any you know, proof, but
I think that, you know, he says some things that
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are jarring.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Especially about how he won the election. We got some
surprises for.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
You, I think they said too. So yeah, I'm not sure,
but I definitely don't feel good about it. It would
make me feel better knowing that he's stole it rather
than this many people would vote for this man.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Nah, not really.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
I mean, because you know, like we knew Biden had
a record low approval rating, and you know, you know,
the VP her approval rating was just as unpopular.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
And they gave her one hundred days and she did
a great job, and that was one hundred and seven days.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
She did a great job in one hundred and six days,
just putting some energy into the campaign.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
But I don't just think she put energy into the campaign.
She also did something structurally that were very, very helpful.
I think people got to see another side of Kamala Harris,
and I still think that it was hard to break through.
They wasted a lot of money on things that weren't
going to help her candidacy, but made the consultant who
work for her campaign rich.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
And she dropped.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
She did drop the ball in very key moments, like
on the View when she says she wouldn't do anything
different from President Biden.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I think.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I think he had a record low approval rating. People
wanted something different and you just didn't offer anything.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
I think, let me just say this, I hear your point,
and I also think that there are moments where your
loyalty to somebody supersedes what you think will help you
stand out. And I can say firsthand, I know I'm
a person like that, where I will be blindly loyal
to the people I love and.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
It will cause me harm. It has you know, So
I get why she did that.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
I do think it was a moment that she probably regrets,
but I understand why she did it. She wouldn't be
there if it wasn't for him, right, like he picked
her as his VP. We all believe she deserved it,
but he did pick her. There were other options. And
then when she when he stepped down, it was Joe
Biden that made sure that Kamala Harris, because she was
a part of the ticket, was the nominee.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
And I think that that's major. It's hard to turn
your back on somebody that does something like that. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I think what I hope everybody learns moving forward is
America wants something different. When you look at the low
approval ratings of Trump, when you look at the low
approval rating of the Republicans, you look at the low
approf ratings of Democrats, America is ready for somebody.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
America gets some different right now. I wonder how much
they difference. Yeah, but back in eighteen, what year you
think we in?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
We in twenty twenty five. Nah, I'm just saying it's good.
All of this needs to be destroyed. So what what
can what can really be?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Can be?
Speaker 7 (44:09):
Do you think it's going to be on the receiving
end of the destruction though? I think that's the part people,
But it's and it's going to be mostly people who
look like us, Like that's the part that I think
that we have to grapple with. It is so easy
to say and very privileged to say, we need to
destroy this whole thing, tear it all down. So now
they're defunding the Department of Education, or at least have
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the clearance to do that. That's going to hurt our kids.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
To say that it's true, and I don't disagree. I
think it's just going to hurt poor people.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
But if we're disproportionately poor, we're disproportionately not paid what
we what we deserve, what we should earn. Our businesses
disproportionately suffer. Our accesses to contract well, access to contracts
at this local, state and federal level is disproportionately low.
It is going to be us on the receiving end
of these things.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
But I think this is the time where we need
to look at what Martin Luther King Jr. Was attempting
to do before he was taken out. Probably what he
was taken out for, Operation bringing Together pouring disenfranisized people
of all colors, because we need that whole coalition right
now to topple what's currently in our federal government.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, I think black people cannot do it. A little.
Speaker 7 (45:20):
I agree with that we don't have the numbers, but
I would say this, I am focused on black folks
right now because I believe that we have to get
our house in order first and then we can coalition build.
I think normally what we've done historically is we go
out to the larger coalition before we're tight. I want
to make sure that we're tight. Are we all aligned,
are we all good? Are we moving forward meeting our
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basic needs, advocating for what's in our best interest?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And then we grow out.
Speaker 7 (45:45):
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be humane in your approach,
like you can still fight for other people's issues, but
make sure your coalition is tight.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
This is what we always argue because it ain't gonna
happen everybody. Don't get on the same page everybody.
Speaker 7 (45:58):
I don't think that everybody has to, but I need
a larger group of us two.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
That's why I know it just took animals on the
art because he knew that them niggas wasn't coming.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thank you for doing this so much. Let me.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Res giraffes all right, Angela RAI tell him where to
follow you.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
At Angela Ryan Instagram that Leonard said we are now boycotting.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
I'm not and uh yeah.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
At Native Lampid podcast Every Thursday its Angela Rai.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
It's the Breakfast Club Morning, Breakfast Club.
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody's the j n V. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the God.
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We got a special guest in the building in front
of the room. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Angela, rae.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Hi friend, Hi brother, how are you? I am good?
I am you know, making it in the apocalypse?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Okay, the best of times, the optimism, optimism.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Okay, raise the Lord, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm glad you are here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Your brother has been doing some disrespectful stuff. He has
caught ice on me three times to try to get
me shipped out of this country.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What's the problem?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You did not do that?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What's the problem?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You didn't do that?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
The problem?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That's not funny.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I don't see the problem.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
And then Angela, he'd be rioting and just talking crap
against the Democratic Party every day.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's factual.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That is I know that that's true.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
And there are many, there are many in the Democratic
Party who deserve to be trash talk.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Not as bad as these Republicans.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
Since they're trying to take us back to eighteen sixty three,
I can argue it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Dems of the reason we're here. But that's a
whole You could.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Argue that, but that would be silly of you since
seventy five million people voted.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
For this man.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, but why did they do that?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, allegedly, but why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What do you mean why they did that?
Speaker 7 (01:24):
Because there's some of them are biggest, because some of
them are fascists, because some of them are sexist, because
some of them are homophobic, because some of them got issues,
and some of the others that were disenchanted.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Before we get to that, Okay, congratulations on your State
of the People tour.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You know what, I would love to take the congratulations,
but I got to tell you the tour was so
eye opening. We're really hurting, like as the people were
really really hurting. Is something, and I'll say it publicly
to you because we talked about it privately.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I used to get so.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Mad at Leonardo, but for all the reasons, but at
Leonard for the times where he was saying to me
I was out of touch. I would get so upset
and I would I'm like, where you spent my whole career,
like helping a craft legislation for our people, doing jobs
like all of these things.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But the truth is, even if you're you know, out.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Of touch for a week, for two weeks, for a month,
you can get really out of touch. And you're thinking,
I'm helping people because I'm working on behalf of their
best interests. But how do you work on behalf of
somebody's best interests if you're not in community and talking
with them.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know how I feel about you bringing private
conversations to the radio.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You do it all the time. Can you can you not?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Can you not for two seconds what you do? So
my point is saying, yes, just be quietet.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
For two seconds.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
But I was gonna say that there was humbling, you know,
like to go to to a church and meet this
woman with two young kids like under three, who made
it determination to come sit with us and get her
light bill paid and didn't know if the car would
make it to work.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
She had to get a jump at the church.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
You know another woman who was a teacher in Atlanta
who said that she goes to teach our students every
day and then goes to sleep in her car at night.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I mean, there's so many stories like that. We had
a woman who volunteered with us in Newark who lives
in a red roof inn and every day she is
bringing groceries back home to.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The seniors who live in that facility. But she's struggling too.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
So we met these people, we were able to meet
their needs. But you all know, like you go see
something like that, you ready to empty your bank account,
you emptying your bank account. Maybe y'alls would last a
little longer than mine. We talking maybe about two or
three weeks worth of relief. You know, for these people,
we have to have structural systemic change in order for
folks to really see a difference.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And instead of people working to meet the most.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
Basic needs and relieve our folks, they're creating cuts that
are gonna hurt them even worse.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
That's gonna be on all of us.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
But because what I refuse to do is say, well,
we're gonna wait until people who are like minded and
more compassionate get in charge.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, that doesn't put food on their table tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
So I've been like, what do we do to solve
immediate needs to make sure that our folks know they
can always turn to community and be okay? That is
the black way, you know, we always look out for
each other. And I don't want to lose sight of
that with all of this crazy infighting has happened.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So that's what the State of the People Tour was like.
What was it for people who don't.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, So it was a tour where we focused first
on relief, and then we also ensured that we had opportunities.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
To listen to the community.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
What are you saying, what are you feeling, how are
you how is your life? What can we do to
make it better? And then we also emphasize policy by
creating a platform for our Black Papers policy initiative. Y'all know,
normally when it's a policy paper, it's called a white paper.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
We have black Papers.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
So Black Papers was more than seven hundred pages of
policy now thirty four papers, everything from healthcare to reparations,
to education, early childhood education, everything you could think of.
We tried to cover mass incarceration, really ensuring that our
folks know that they don't just have a project twenty
twenty five and we're sitting idly by. We have black
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experts from all over the country on all of these
varying subject matters that can contribute to making your life better.
And then finally we did it in coalition with more
than two hundred local and national organizations. Black folks like
this have not come together since the Bloods and the
Crips came together to do that little.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Mixtape back in the nineties. So it was very good,
very very good.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I was gonna say, so, you know what can
people do?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So, usually, you know, fast food restaurants back in the
day was the way to get cheap food and to
feed the family. Right, But if you go to any
of these fast food restaurants, a meal now is fifteen dollars,
seventeen dollars, so it's expensive. Groceries are expensive. So you're
talking about the lady that was helping to feed you know,
other people in the red roof, and she probably couldn't
feed herself. So what do you tell people to do
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at this specific time?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
What could they do? What can they do? What's the change?
Where's the change?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Car?
Speaker 7 (06:03):
I think the change comes from within. And by that
I'm not talking about find your food inside yourself. I'm
talking about us, right, like, we have to change our mentality.
We have more than enough.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I was waking up.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
My prayer every morning during the tour was God, I
thank you, we have everything we need, and that is
the truth. So if we embody that and we say, Okay,
I have all of these extra clothes that I don't need,
can I give these away to somebody in need? We
have school supplies. We I had twenty dollars to give
towards a child school supplies. Like there are all of
the things that we have that we can make use of.
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And I think that is what's most important. Policy only
works when you prioritize the needs of the people, when
you're compassionate towards people, regardless of their immigration status, regardless
of where they live, regardless of if you agree with
them or not, doing the right thing is it's always
the right time to do the right thing, to paraphrase
doctor King. And so I think some of that is
about what can we do differently? So I would ask
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people who wanted to join the tour, what do you
feel called to do? And asking people to do exactly that.
I think that's how we meet our most basic needs.
I shouldn't do everything. I'm better at rapid response than
long term planning. I think some of that is undiagnosed.
Add some of that is just.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
What interests me.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
So I should be on the rapid response squad, but
somebody else should be on the now what do we
do to build out the long term solution? So David
John's who I know, you all know has been on
Breakfast Club. He ran our black Papers Policy initiative. I
was like, I know, we need to do this. I'm
too unfocused to do it. But he had thirty four
papers done in a month with working with some of
the best black experts around.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
So what was the biggest thing you learned from the
state of People are like like one if you got
to take one.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Takeaway to see the marathon or the tour the tour,
I'm sorry, tour.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So the tour was twelve cities and then we did
a national Assembly in Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I think the most important thing that I learned is
that we can do anything when we put our minds
to it. When we decide that our unity means more
than anything else, we're just unstoppable. We are really unmatched.
So I learned that I learned the importance of listening.
I listened a lot more than I talked on that tour,
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and I think that that was abundantly important because I
don't know how you change people's circumstances, you don't know
what they are.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, what would you say to people who say,
I hear you, Angela RAI, But we've always felt like that,
like where you are now we've been there.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Well they said that, you know, Like so there are
two things that came out of the tour too. Some
folks were like, well, we've been here, now y'all care
because we're all about to be in the same situation.
I was like, you're right, it's sad, but that's true
in so many ways. That's true because now more people's
health care is going to be cut. So now everybody
feels like the folks who are worried about what may
happen with Medicaid or Medicare or anything in between.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So that is absolutely the truth. Is it right? Absolutely not,
But that is the truth.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I think some of us, and I'll speak for myself,
when you see somebody in need and you know you
can't help right away, it's easier for me to try
to turn.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
A blind eye.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
That's not the right thing to do. But I'm like,
if I don't know how to fix it, I'm a
natural fixer. I'm like, shoot, I can't do anything about it.
So I'm gonna try to pretend like I'm not here.
That's not the right solution.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I think. The other thing that came up a lot,
especially from folks in the South, was well.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Y'all worried about Trump, but we've been having people just
like him as our governor's local elected officials, and that
kind of thing I would offer to them, and I
did on the tour.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
This key distinction.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
There was a time where you could go to petition
the federal government to protect you in the face of
your Mini Trump rohnd de Santis or you know, Greg
Abbott or whoever it is. Now the federal government looked
just like them, look just like the January sixth ers,
the insurrectionist So who do you go petition?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Who you gonna who are you gonna call? I do
have a ghostbuster.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
This is just I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
But some people have felt like that about the federal
government forever. They've always felt like the federal government is
not showing up for them, and I think for so long.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But I think the feeling like it and the and
the factual reality is different.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
What if your factual reality have been poverty and your
factory reality is being poor and disenfranchised, regardless of who's
in office.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Why should you ever have any faith in government?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I think that it's is a challenging thing to have
faith in, and I think that the only way that
we can change it, and we've seen this recently is
by applying pressure. Historically we've seen it by applying pressure,
things change. I think it is foolish for us to
believe that anybody is always.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
On our side.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Like, what you should expect from the federal government is
that they need to hear about your issue. Like let's
look at it like this way. Let's say that you
live in an apartment building. Your apartment building has a
property manager and it has a landlord. So let's treat
the property manager like it's an elected official like a
member of Congress, and your landlord.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Is the president.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
If you have a leak in your in your apartment,
you ain't about to be like, well, I hope they
figure it out because it's their obligation.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Figure I pay rent.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
You not doing that, You're gonna send in the complaint,
You're gonna knock on the door, You're gonna go find them.
That's the same way we should treat the fan like
they are paid to do a job. We pay them,
but they not they We're not gonna let them rest
until they meet our need. That's the same way we
would do if we would do that about a leaky faucet.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
How much more?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
If our kids can't eat, how much more? If they
can't be educated, how much more? If they're taking our
history out of classrooms. That's a good analogy. I'm gonna
use it again.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
People feel like they do complain so much and.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So complaining to I'm sure they complain into their property man,
their counselmen. They're local people, and a lot of times
that local people, I'm sure they feel they don't do
anything well.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And I think that's what's hard for me.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
And I'm gonna say, I exist in this privilege, but bubble,
so y'all burst it if I'm wrong. To me, most often,
when I tell people to call their member of Congress
if the something is going wrong, or show up to
a council.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Meeting, they're like, how when is it? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
So?
Speaker 7 (11:48):
If there are those who are complaining, often I think
it's to select few. And what happens is, I don't know.
If y'all have this, you guys all do public appearances.
You know that one person to come to every show.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Uh huh. So that when what happens is for the.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Elected official that like, oh, here goes Susie again, and
she just gonna be right, and so they they get
tuned out. But if Susie and all the fifth grade
class comes and all of the seniors come, now it's
a different type of experience. We are a people powered democracy,
at least we should be, and that means more people
have to show up.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
If it's the same two or three, I don't know
that it's moving the needle.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You said something, and I think it tends to be
a problem. Somebody asks questions.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Right when somebody says, I don't know how you have
these elitists ask democrats who call people stupid and.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You don't saying that to me. I don't do that.
I don't want to defend them, no, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Just saying that is part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
When people ask questions, you'll have these people that get
on these high horses and tell them how stupid they are.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You should know any things, You should know what that
meeting is. Wont you just teach them?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I do feel like I think people should know because
I think it's part of our responsibility.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I don't think that they should be scolded.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yeah, I don't think they should be scolded or we
should be scolded when we don't know things, because there's
it's hard already to say I don't know you know.
So I don't think we should make people feel bad,
but I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So many and I don't say my gullet. No, I'm
talking about the elite Democrats.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yes, what do you think about President Obama critiquing Demo
critiquing Democrats and saying they need the tough enough and
take action. Don't you feel like too little, too late?
I don't feel like he should have been saying that.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
What's I heard that he said? This was the context
for him saying this just period.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It was at a fundraiser in Jersey, and I guess
he was just talking about, you know, what they should be.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Doing in the future.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I guess my issue right now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Exact quote.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
No, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
My issue right now with President Obama and Michelle Obama
is they like out here doing Tiger Woods documentaries and
they have this show, which I'm not mad at that
he actually was on her podcast talking about how young
men don't feel seen in this uh in this new,
this new space, and I think that that's true. However,
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if you can go on the podcast to talk about
how young men don't feel seen, can you also talk
about these snapcuts?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Can you also talk about the Medicare and Medicaid cuts?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
And I think for me, if you all were saying
that we were about to or this country was about
to elect a fascist, why are you not treating fascism
as it's just that critical?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I'm confused about.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Why there is an expectation of Democrats or any elected
official to do something different when they're doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
What you're doing.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Right, So, if you're treating all of this as normal,
it's normal times, We're gonna go to Martha's vineyard to
hang out and like nothing is different. Yeah, Like they
don't know what to do either. So we have these
high expectations. And this is also why we started to
say to the people of our elected officials, like, Okay,
you got to meet the moment, you got to meet
the moment, you got to meet the moment. Everybody, even
if they don't say it out loud, is saying, how
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how do you meet this particular moment, and this moment
is changing massively every single day, so how I met
it is going to continue to change. We're not giving
them the grace to figure it out on the fly,
but we're giving ourselves that grace. And for me, I say,
you know what, I'm demanding something of them that I'm
not demanding of myself. If it is the last and
evil days, as the mothers used to say in the
church for years and years and years, I really do
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think it might be the last in evil days. Now,
what am I going to do different? And if I'm
not doing anything different, then I'm part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That actually gives me hope. That's why.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yeah, like my grandmother was saying the same thing in
the eighties, this is the last time. It's the worst
I ever seen it, that damn Reagan bly like. So
it's just like, I don't know if we just you know,
going through what they went through and we made it
through before, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And let me just tell you the only caution I
would offer us. And you're right, we have always said that.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
The folks have always explained why it has been we
have gotten progressively worse over the last decade at least.
And what I would say is, if we think that
this isn't the worst it's been, can you tell me
why our human rights have been rolled back sixty plus
years in a matter of six months, right Like that
(16:07):
is I know, And some people are like, well, I
don't need civil rights, just give me my paper main whatever.
I don't know how you think you're gonna keep your
paper main and you can't. You don't have any protections.
The ways in which we're watching human rights abuses come
forth in this country visa VI, these deportation processes, ice
detention holding facilities where people don't even have deportation orders,
(16:32):
and watching folks who look like us saying I don't care,
that's not my problem. Until you didn't realize that your
little cousin daddy was Haitian, you know, until you didn't
realize that, you know, your favorite Jamaican spot is about
to close down. I keep trying not to do this
in the terms of like what people are giving us,
but just through our humanity, like you are gonna be
in a position really soon where somebody you did not
(16:53):
know was that close to you is hit And I
don't understand why even needs that, Like, what's just just
about our humanity? Forget what should be given to someone
who is a citizen here? What about humanity? And that
is the thing that is really troubling me.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
How do you feel about democrats who all of a
sudden have the courage and courage in parentheses to tell
the truth, Like when you see books like the Original
Sin or you know Karen john psaying she's a independent. Now, like,
why all of a sudden do they have the courage
to speak truth to power?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But they didn't do that.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
I'm trying to figure out why you think it's all
of a sudden, like I think everybody?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
No, I think right, Okay, So do I have my
own opinion?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
So I just feel like if somebody this question, but
what was the original saying about buy Jake Tapple?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It literally was about the cover up that democrat.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I don't know if Jake Tapper identifies as a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He's on seeing that every day, talking to talking to the.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Left and talking to the right. I don't know if
Jake Tapper's Democrat brother, I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay, So what do you think about them just all
of a sudden having the courage.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I don't know that it's all of a sudden. I
think they've been doing these, you know, expose books for years.
Jakes is the latest of those. I think that Koreine
had Why.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Tell us after after it's too late?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Why didn't they say these things two years ago when
they could have alerted the American people, and the American
people could have been like, you know what, something is
wrong with him. Maybe y'all shouldn't run a different candidate
than probably wouldn't be in this situation.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I think that the lie was sexier to people than
the truth, and they went with the lie, and they
knew Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, and
so the.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Lie wasn't Joe Biden is okay? Remember remember when was
up there.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Saying that Joe Biden had dementia and you and Tiffany
got mad at him.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It was like, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Well, And I told you, guys, why, I told you
I don't think it's funny. I told y'all why.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
My grandmother literally was suffer from dementia. And he still
doesn't have dementia. He does not have dimentia, showing early.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Signs of dimion according to the original sin that we
don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
According to my own eyes, we do know he does
not have early signs, just like his mom had dementia.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I said, he is showing early signs of dementia something.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
And you just knew something was wrong, and we knew
we couldn't We knew he couldn't win in November.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
All I'm telling you is I was personally offended because
my grandmother had dementia.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So y'all got on my nerves that day because of that.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Now, as for what Karina's doing and Jake invite them
on the show and asked them, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But what I can tell you is Karine had her
own experience of.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Being regularly challenged her brilliance, being challenged by white men
who she was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
For that white man all the time.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I'm not talking about that, Leonard, and I'm talking about
staff people as well. And so when you are being
challenged by your peers rather than covered because they don't
want you in a role that may you know jade
you just a little bit. You might be a little
frustrated by that. So I mean I get it, you know,
I feel like I've always been independent minded and voting
down a Democratic ticket because that's where my values are
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more aligned.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Are they perfectly aligned? No, No, that's never been the case.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
You ain't never seen me come up here talking about
the dim Democratic parties the only way.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
That's not it.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But I'm saying I know what for sure is not
the way. I know what for sure is a dead end.
Quite literally is on the other side of the eye.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So if we knew that, how come we did? Who
is we the people?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Because clearly, like it was like seventy percent of people
felt like they didn't want to Biden Trump rematch. Fifty
six percent of Democrats said that Joe Biden should not
be I think we all agree.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think we all agree with that.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
He told us initially he was going to do one term,
and that was the expectation that I think many of
us had. So I never was like, oh, please run
Joe Biden again. I think we run the tape back.
Guess I'm on here saying that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Let me ask you. I'm sorry, I just want to
say one thing. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right, you fought for Marilyn Moseby to get parton Joe
Biden didn't pardon them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
His whole family, part in his whole family, right, Donald
Trump part is anybody that's cool with him all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
How did that make you feel that? Did that make
you feel like like what Obama said? Democratsic cowitch is
a lady that did nothing wrong, who does the right thing.
You guys, fought to get her pardon. You fought for
the Democrats. You rode for Joe Biden, you rode for
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
This is very loosely fought for the Democrats and rode
for Joe Biden. Want I wanted Kamala Harris to be.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Our president before she was announced.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
I was gonna go with the nomination. I think there's
a difference, and I am going to a fact that
pardon her and accept this man. And then you see
him part in his whole family, who we said he
wasn't gonna pardon. You see Trump parting everybody first day.
He just came with a stage and part in everybody.
How does that make you feel about Democrats? Because it
makes me feel like Democrats don't ride for their own
(21:37):
But then you look at Trump. He rides for his call,
he rides for his base. So it's like, damn well,
and I think I think that the challenge that I
will offer us to consider and I respond to the question,
but I just want us to contextualize this.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
He is very crooked.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
He is violating the emoluments Clause every single day. He
is taking gifts from foreign governments to be persuaded, to
be conflicted out of basic decisions. So I take issue
with striving to be more like somebody who's very crooked,
who had eighty eight indictments but was ninety one.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
They dropped a few. But I have issues with trying
to be more like corruption. I don't want an elected
official to be corrupt.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
I will say it pissed me off that Joe Biden
and the team that was advising him would not stand
for this black woman. I know of black people who
worked in the White House Counsel's office who were fighting
for Maryland and they were not heard. So it was devastating.
What I will say is very vindicating though for her,
(22:40):
at least is in her appeals case that was.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Just recently heard. Her mortgage fraud conviction.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Was overturned, which which I think is bizarre too because
I felt like the perjury was the weakest link.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But I will say it is so vindicating.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
She gets to keep the property that the black judge
who was appointed by Joe Biden told her she could
not have and needed to be forfeit. She doesn't have
to give up her property, which I think is really
important for her and her girls.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So I heard you mention the Epstein files earlier.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Does this?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Do you think that this can really really hurt Trump
because they don't really seem to care about it.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, I don't. He doesn't seem to care about much nothing.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I would say that it could hurt him, especially if
the you know, the fringe of his base, the folks
who's ascribed to all of the conspiracy theories, continue to
write it out and he doesn't respond in time with
actually unfeeling the files or appointing a special prosecutor. I
think it's bizarre that this man, who he was friends
with at least for two decades, was on the private jet.
(23:43):
Now he's not going to release the files, But what's
in there?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Donald Trump? Why you don't want to share it?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I feel like Democrats should never stop talking about the
Epstein files.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Yeah, I agree, because I feel like this is their
transgender in women's sports issue.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that they should
talk about it because it also creates that same type
of ambiguity, the cloud of corruption. He does what he
wants to do whenever it's beneficial to him, and he
doesn't really care about you. I think that that is
the most important thing they could say, because there are
a lot of people who were Trump supporters who are poor, broke,
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busted and discussed it, still down on their luck, still
don't have anything to show for his election. So if
you still don't have anything to show for it, but
you see this man now has a multimillion dollar jet,
his family is doing really well, his cryptocurrency sword on
the other side of the inauguration, what do you have
to show for it? How did you benefit? Because if
you don't have anything to show for it, well, what
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is your.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
What does your vote really do?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And it builds a bridge between Democrats and Magna Ever
since Trump won, they've been trying to do that, right now,
whether there's Gavin Newsom with his corny ass podcast, right
but I'm just saying like they're always trying to, you know,
build support, build.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
A bridge with me.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Gavin tag right into his whiteness. He chat right into
his whiteness in a very.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
In authentic way. But you know this is an actual
authentic way, because this is something that is the truth.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Yes, I think that there's nothing better than the truth.
You always talk about how important it is to tell
the truth.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think that too.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
So we shouldn't be pontificating on conspiracy theories. We should
be asking real questions. We don't know, no, no, yeah,
that's as I say. We don't know what's in the files,
but you do, so release them.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Make sure we all know.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Do you think the files haven't been released, because if
they do, it'll be mutually assured destruction, meaning that you know,
high profile individuals from both parties are definitely probably in
the files, Allies probably.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Absolutely, Allies donors.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah, I really don't know what's in the diplomats. I
don't know what's in the files.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
And just based on what I just was saying, I
don't want to deepen more into the conspiracy parts of it.
What I would rather say is, if your people ask
for it, this is what you promise, your people, make
good on your promise, be true to what you said.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I and if I'm a Democrat and I'm, you know,
constantly staying on the epsteinm file. Even if I know
that there are people from my party in there, they're
probably people you need to throw under the bus anyway, Yeah,
because I feel like whoever is the future of the
Democratic Party has to throw the old regime under the bus.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Especially if the old regime was engaging in child abuse.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I mean, you know, like there's there's no we should
that should be a bipartisan or really a nonpartisan thing.
There are some things that we should not allow or
hold to be acceptable. We shouldn't be covering up anything
for anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about
folks who may have supported Trump having buyer's remorse now
and speaking out against it?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Like is it the time to say I told you so?
Or is it the time the coalition build?
Speaker 7 (26:44):
You want my higher self answer, I want you just
to answer, well, I have two answers. My first answer
is something I should say on radio, forget y'all. I'll
say it that way, forget y'all, like we tried to
tell you over and over again, like you are sofoul.
My higher self answer is I think that people make
mistakes and some mistakes they make are extraordinarily costly, and
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so I would really want to understand how they got
there and what do we do as a people to
ensure that folks don't get there. Ever again, they got
that though, No, I don't me and you disagree on this.
I think there are multiple pasthway to get to the
pathways to get to this dummy well.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think I think for so long we've tried to
tell people why they should care about politics or why
they should vote a certain way, but we don't talk
to them to see why they voted that way.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
For me, when Donald Trump won, it wasn't a surprise.
We was together anyone.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It wasn't a surprise because I've been having these conversations.
I can see where Democrats were missing the mark and
where he was speaking to dinner table issues.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Now whether he wanted to do.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Those things dinner table issues and knowing someone from their
past four years in office is a liar and it's
not going to look out for the least.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
That last year.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
We've had this conversation a million times. Not with that
last year, PPP checks was flying in them and.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Now these PPP people's in jail.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
But sure, but people will.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
People will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said,
They'll never forget how you made them feel.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Well.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I wonder how they feel behind bars, like I think behind.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
A lot of sending them trailers in South Carolina to
live in the life. They still got that Christ of three, honey,
some of them living their best life right now, still
waiting for another stimmy. And you know what they do
every now and then when those touches happening and everybody's
getting mad, We're gonna give everybody five thousand dollars. Y'all
just relaxed. Everybody's like, yeah, that's what we voted.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
For, and then where's that five thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Now?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I guess all I'm saying is, you know, at some
point people have to understand how the government works.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Donald Trump didn't write a blank check.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
He did sign the checks smart.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I agree it was smart.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
But in all of that, what I hope his supporters
and even people who are like indifferent, I hope what
they see over time is this this man will do
anything to promote himself, and that is all that he's
good at. He's not good at keeping his promises. He's
not good at telling the truth. He's not good at
people first policy. He's good at promoting himself.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
That's why the Epstein list is good and why Democrats
stay on it, because this is the one time I've
seen people who voted for Trump and the MAGA.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Base be like lying. Yeah, so yeah, so not only
is he lying about.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
This things, That's right. Go be a consultant. You good
at this, That's good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I wanted to ask about what was your thoughts on
everything that happened with the Essence Festival?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Right, yeah, so a lot of people upset that.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know that Target was still the sponsoring people with boycotting.
What was your thoughts on all that.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
I still say boycott Target number one, Target fast. If
I see black people with Target bag just I'm mugging y'all.
All right, Lauren got once she got a makeup, No
one right now from I didn't get you know, I
didn't get this from. I would tell you if I did.
I did support when my girl Klina was in there.
But I'm telling you right now, they better get it together.
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I think that this is a really dope oppert tunity
for black people to show we don't just support black
business in a boycott. We do that because it's the
right thing and our stuff is better anyway, So I
just yes, I'm irritated that they were a sponsor, but
it's a multi year deal, so I understand that. I
thought it was hilarious that they tried to make their
activation pink so people didn't know that. It was like
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the red and white target was like, let's if we're
really in red and white, it's pink, let's.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Make it pink. People couldn't see the logo till they
walked all the way in.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I want to shout out Alfonso David has become a
brother to me from Global Black Economic Forum.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
He did a tremendous job on his stage.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
There were a lot of really good things about Essence
Fest and the videos that I was saying. I was
telling then I was like, I didn't see any of
this stuff the way that they're portraying it. So I'm
just not sure. I will say I did not go
to any of the concerts, so I didn't. I don't
know what that experience was, Like. I wanted to go,
and my day that I could go, I just was
not feeling well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
So it worth it taking the money to create black joy.
That's what we are right now.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Right We're in a space right now where we need
to empower each other in various ways, and creating spaces
of black joy is one of those things.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, So taking that money to create I think I'm not.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I just wanted I want us to divorce ourselves from
Target until they meet the demands that Jamal and Tamika
and Nina have been very clear about.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The demands are great, including standing.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Up opportunities for HBCU students at business schools. At HBC
there's no you have retail shops at twis at traditionally
white institutions. You can do that same thing at HBCUs.
You can appoint another black board member, you can have
a black CEO, your CEO about to step down. You
can put black people in position to succeed as contractors,
as vendors, and as employees at Target. So I don't
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understand what the issue is. If they can't meet those
most basic needs, they don't need our money. What I'm saying,
I understand what you're saying. I think that there still
have to be parameters. If you look historically at some
of the nation's civil rights orgs, some of our other
folks who if there are influencers who y'all know, who
take money from some of these large corporations to distract
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us from our demands of these corporations regularly, I would
name drop, but I'm.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I think you should.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
No, I won't, but I think that what's important is
that we are all aligned. So if we're gonna take
the money, we know that these are the accountability metrics.
You don't get a blanket endorsement from us. We're saying, yeah,
here's this partnership. We're not doing anymore right now. Some
of our black denominations in the churches have taken money,
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but they know that they see one of a pastor
leading this charge.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Don't do that. It undermines us. That is literally how
black people got into slavery.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh, I'm gonna take this five dollars from my family,
but I'm gonna send y all over there.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Don't do that. That is so harmful.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
One thing people say, and you know, we've had this
conversation with Jamal and Tamika as well. What about all
the other companies who rolled back DEI initiatives? Yeah, the
metas we on Facebook and we on Instagram every day.
You know the Walmart, the Amazon? Do you get Amazon packaged?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
A lot of churches are boy Amazon to a lot
of interviews. A lot of interviews are boy kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Go to the house and see if they got packaged.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I want to say, I have cut way back. All
I have is my just Water on an automatic subscription.
But I have cut way back. I did have an
Amazon problem. I have since been delivered like every day ordering.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Like that's how I was.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So what do you say to those people who feel like,
wellocott and.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
You know what, I feel like, it's hard to boycott
everything at once, especially if you live in communities where
there are not that many options to shop and all that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's hard.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
So I think to make an example out of one
so that other organizations, other corporations fall in line is
also a smart tactic.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I think Target was personal for.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Us, Like I don't know about you just but I
would just be up and down the aisles like I'm going.
I would say Starbucks and Target for one thing and
leave with a cart full of five hundred dollars worth
of stuff I did not need.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
So I think that it was personal. It was like
you messed with our sanctuary, Like why.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
That's how I feel abot Walmart TALKINGT I used to
go to Talking for T shirts, but Walmart was because
you know, growing up in most corner, that was the
place that was open twenty four hours, and we were kids,
we would go wandering around Walmart.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
That's both of them for me, Walmart and Target. Yeah,
talking got they had better selections and stuff. He was
a little he thought a little boogie me was in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And sometimes you go around there, you just wandered because
you high. Were you high?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He's trying to say me.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
You know, I will say, I am grateful for what
cannabis is doing for my mother right now. She's going
through chemo, and she my dad has been very eager
to make sure that she had an edible.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
The first edible that my mom had was not for
her because she was sitting on the floor facing the
wall and the TV was behind her. Said, that's exactly
how she has one that has been recommended by the
nutritionists now and she's doing much better.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So her appetite is good and she's so proud of
my mom.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
She found on that because your mom is dealing with cancer, yes,
and so the nutrition just recommended her edible for.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
What exactly, So it's I think it's a I don't
remember if it's one to one or something CBD and
THC yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
CBN, CBN and THC yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
So she's on that and it's helping her to eat
a lot better. The other ones just had my mom
like she was gone. I was sitting here.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I said, I see that you like to get up?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Did you ask your mom which one she like better?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
She might like that, But if she's not eating, because
like she's literally like I can't even move, Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I got what if she was enjoying what she was
seeing on the wall, and she's enjoying.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
What she's seen on the wall, but she's still twenty
pounds lighter and she's already tiny, not to.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Get her stuck looking at the wall.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
What advice this is my last question, What advice do
you have for people listening who just like don't even
care about you know, they've given up all hope for
like the government, they don't.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Have any faith, like anymore in it.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
What would you say to them?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
You know what I would say is I know this
is a government that was built on our backs and
never for us, and I think that it's important to
decide whether you will reform it and shift what it
was designed to do, or whether you will overhaul it
and do something different. Regardless of what decision you make,
it's just most important to engage. You know that we
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advocate for our collective best interests, that we show up
to ensure that our voices are heard, that we're seeing
that our people can't be ignored. And I think some
of the best ways we can do that right now
is just showing up together collectively and making a difference
for ourselves. I think we could still build structures outside
of the government that serve our most basic needs. But
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I absolutely suggest that if you are paying a tax
ban citizen, you have every right to demand something better
at this government, and.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
It owes us for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I got a couple more questions.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Do you think traditional media, because you know you're having
great success with the Native Land podcast yourself, Andrew Gilliam
and Tiffany Cross, do you think traditional.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Media still plays a role in shaping.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Not just black political opinion, but political opinion overall, or
have we fully moved into an era where non traditional
media is controlling all the naratives.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
I think that they have a role and they have
an obligation, and for the most part, traditional media is
epically failing. Like there's an epic fail, like the fact
that the fines that they're paying to settle cases with
Donald Trump. The ways in which they're talking about some
of the greatest crises right now is insane to me.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm like, are we living in the same universe? Are
you seeing what I'm seeing?
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Are you hearing what these members of Congress are reporting
back from visits or state elected officials. We're living in
really rough times and for them to not be talking
about it or for me, I was upset when they
were spending just as much time on Puff's trial.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
As they were on the budget cutting irresponsible. So, you know,
I think it's it is.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
There isn't a huge obligation on behalf of media, and
yet I feel like they're failing. So because they're failing,
new media has opportunities to tell the truth and to
make sure that people know that they exist and they're
not and folks aren't crazy sitting at home.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Is that why you focus more on I don't even
like to call it non traditional media no more, because
I feel like that is media nowadays. But is that
why you focus on like I'm gonna do the State
of the People Marathon on YouTube or I'm gonna do
Native Land. You know, podcasts on YouTube and you know
we have a podcast is distributed.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Is that why? Because it's not like you can't go
on television when you want to.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Yeah, I think for me, I'll say the last TV
interview I did reminded me of what I did not
miss about it touched you? Yeah, But I think it's
more like it's just I'm a germophobe, and I think
so especially white men know just.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
They don't wash their hands. The Italian he said he
washed his hands too.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's like, first of all, first.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Of all, you're not gonna fame. Mean, while I'm holding
this camera, I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I did not say that carcause of your hands.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Looked clean.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
But I'm just saying it's a lot of people, you
can tell, even how they move about the world, they
don't watch it. Yeah, So I'm like, why didn't you
touch me? So I'm a germophobe and it was like
not even thought about you.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
But I think that what it was kind of was
a shushion too, like it was Yeah, I think sometimes
they do that on TV.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's like to minimize you in a way.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, no, he went about to do that.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
But I just think that you have a conversation after that, no, no,
about what because you're just like, you don't touch me.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Don't touch me, don't put you don't know this, you
don't know this.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Hood if he came bologize.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
But I think that he's so cocky that he you
know that he wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
But my point in bringing that up is I think
it reminded me of how unproductive those conversations are.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I'm going on to argue with you. You got the
people who are backing you in your corner.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
I got the people back in me in my corner,
my corner, and there's a very small, convincible middle. And
I I just think, you know, if we're not having
conversations to really get to yes and be like, well,
I can understand your perspective. What is it that you're saying,
like people should have to be held to facts, right,
people go on there and just lied to make up numbers.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
It's like, what's the point of this? This is reality TV?
This isn't the news.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
That's why people like you need to be there though,
And I think it takes a very special person to
occupy that space, and You've always been a very special
person in that space.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's why you stand out.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
Thanks brother, Well, I like doing the podcast and say
that people wasn't just about content development, It also was
really about touching lives.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
So, yeah, do you really feel like Republicans cheated in
twenty twenty four? It was all over Fox News this week?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, you would. Fox News really like our podcast. That
is so nice. They should put the link in there
so people could watch that tune into them.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
I would just say I am very you know, I
feel like Black women and the Holy Ghosts are very close.
And I feel like if something about my fighty senses
are tingling, and they have been since the day after
the election when we were all together.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I don't know. Some is not right. There's the elections troop,
the Lions.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
I believe ETA has a whole report on some of
the inconsistencies and election results. There is another entity that
I can't think of right now that also has a
report on this. Clark County had some irregularities in Nevada.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
So I mean, I have questions.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
And then why did Donald Trump say in January that
Elon musk knew how to work the Pennsylvania the local
machines in Pennsylvania better than anybody and that's why he
won by landslide. Who says that if you know, it's
just and maybe you guys could say he has dementia too.
I hope you don't without any you know, proof, but
I think that, you know, he says some things that
(41:49):
are jarring.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Especially about how he won the election. We got some
surprises for.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
You, I think they said too. So yeah, I'm not sure,
but I definitely don't feel good about it. It would
make me feel better knowing that he's stole it rather
than this many people would vote for this man.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Nah, not really.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
I mean, because you know, like we knew Biden had
a record low approval rating, and you know, you know,
the VP her approval rating was just as unpopular.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
And they gave her one hundred days and she did
a great job, and that was one hundred and seven days.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
She did a great job in one hundred and six days,
just putting some energy into the campaign.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
But I don't just think she put energy into the campaign.
She also did something structurally that were very, very helpful.
I think people got to see another side of Kamala Harris,
and I still think that it was hard to break through.
They wasted a lot of money on things that weren't
going to help her candidacy, but made the consultant who
work for her campaign rich.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
And she dropped.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
She did drop the ball in very key moments, like
on the View when she says she wouldn't do anything
different from President Biden.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I think.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I think he had a record low approval rating. People
wanted something different and you just didn't offer anything.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
I think, let me just say this, I hear your point,
and I also think that there are moments where your
loyalty to somebody supersedes what you think will help you
stand out. And I can say firsthand, I know I'm
a person like that, where I will be blindly loyal
to the people I love and.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
It will cause me harm. It has you know, So
I get why she did that.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
I do think it was a moment that she probably regrets,
but I understand why she did it. She wouldn't be
there if it wasn't for him, right, like he picked
her as his VP. We all believe she deserved it,
but he did pick her. There were other options. And
then when she when he stepped down, it was Joe
Biden that made sure that Kamala Harris, because she was
a part of the ticket, was the nominee.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
And I think that that's major. It's hard to turn
your back on somebody that does something like that. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I think what I hope everybody learns moving forward is
America wants something different. When you look at the low
approval ratings of Trump, when you look at the low
approval rating of the Republicans, you look at the low
approf ratings of Democrats, America is ready for somebody.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
America gets some different right now. I wonder how much
they difference. Yeah, but back in eighteen, what year you
think we in?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
We in twenty twenty five. Nah, I'm just saying it's good.
All of this needs to be destroyed. So what what
can what can really be?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Can be?
Speaker 7 (44:09):
Do you think it's going to be on the receiving
end of the destruction though? I think that's the part people,
But it's and it's going to be mostly people who
look like us, Like that's the part that I think
that we have to grapple with. It is so easy
to say and very privileged to say, we need to
destroy this whole thing, tear it all down. So now
they're defunding the Department of Education, or at least have
(44:30):
the clearance to do that. That's going to hurt our kids.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
To say that it's true, and I don't disagree. I
think it's just going to hurt poor people.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
But if we're disproportionately poor, we're disproportionately not paid what
we what we deserve, what we should earn. Our businesses
disproportionately suffer. Our accesses to contract well, access to contracts
at this local, state and federal level is disproportionately low.
It is going to be us on the receiving end
of these things.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
But I think this is the time where we need
to look at what Martin Luther King Jr. Was attempting
to do before he was taken out. Probably what he
was taken out for, Operation bringing Together pouring disenfranisized people
of all colors, because we need that whole coalition right
now to topple what's currently in our federal government.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, I think black people cannot do it. A little.
Speaker 7 (45:20):
I agree with that we don't have the numbers, but
I would say this, I am focused on black folks
right now because I believe that we have to get
our house in order first and then we can coalition build.
I think normally what we've done historically is we go
out to the larger coalition before we're tight. I want
to make sure that we're tight. Are we all aligned,
are we all good? Are we moving forward meeting our
(45:41):
basic needs, advocating for what's in our best interest?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And then we grow out.
Speaker 7 (45:45):
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be humane in your approach,
like you can still fight for other people's issues, but
make sure your coalition is tight.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
This is what we always argue because it ain't gonna
happen everybody. Don't get on the same page everybody.
Speaker 7 (45:58):
I don't think that everybody has to, but I need
a larger group of us two.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
That's why I know it just took animals on the
art because he knew that them niggas wasn't coming.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thank you for doing this so much. Let me.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Res giraffes all right, Angela RAI tell him where to
follow you.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
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Speaker 4 (46:23):
I'm not and uh yeah.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
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